Biola University
The presidential election is about to happen, so Tim and Rick take time on this episode to reflect on our cultural moment. They share ideas for having perspective, provide tips for speaking with people who are affiliated with another political party, and emphasize the need for the Church to preserve her integrity regardless of the candidate who becomes president elect.
Transcript
Rick Langer: Welcome to the Winsome Conviction Podcast. My name's Rick Langer. I'm a professor at Biola in the Biblical Studies and Theology Department. Also, the Director of the Office of Faith and Learning and Co-Director of the Winsome Conviction Project. And Tim, I have said that so many times in the last five years, I can't help myself, but it isn't accurate anymore. This summer I retired from full-time work at Biola and now moved to Colorado. And so though all those things were true of me, right now I'm continuing to work part-time with the Winsome Conviction Project. I'm also teaching some classes at Biola, but no longer full-time. So yeah, how about that?
Tim Muehlhoff: I have to confess, I was taking great joy in that introduction, Rick, and wishing it be so. But listen, well deserved on your retirement. Huge impact you've had at Biola University and we love Colorado. When we were on staff with Cru, Campus Crusade for Christ, we would go every other summer, Rick to Fort Collins, Colorado that you know well and absolutely love Colorado except for the Avalanche hockey team because I'm from Detroit, God's team, the Red Wings.
Rick Langer: Yeah. Well, Colorado State was where I went undergraduate, so that's a bit of home sweet home for me.
Tim Muehlhoff: That's sweet. Hey, let's start this episode by talking a little football and then we'll explain why.
Rick Langer: Okay.
Tim Muehlhoff: Dr. Ed Uszynski, he's a good friend of ours. He's been on our podcast multiple times. We've been friends Rick, for over 33 years, and he was born in the great state of Ohio, and I was born in the greater state of Michigan.
Rick Langer: Ooh.
Tim Muehlhoff: He's a ardent Ohio State Buckeye fan. And I am a Michigan Wolverines fan. And we have had this discussion for over 30-some years because every year Michigan and Ohio State play, usually last game of the season. It will determine everything whether you make the playoffs or a college bowl. So you can believe it's kind of tense the week leading up to that game. It's a little bit radio silence. And then depending on who wins, one of us is crushed, one's elated, there needs to be a little bit of a cool down period after that because our wives can attest, this is more than football, this is huge. Now why in the world would we bring that up? Because,-
Rick Langer: Thank you for bringing that up, Tim, because I was wondering that too. So go ahead and clarify this.
Tim Muehlhoff: Well, you're listening to this and the election results have not been given yet. The election has not happened. And some of you listening could care less about politics, is like, okay, whatever, every four years. But some of you care very deeply and maybe you have family members who care deeply or a roommate or a co-worker, and we thought we would take some time before the results are counted and before we have a president, a new president, just some tips on maybe how to talk about politics a little bit with people who care deeply and maybe somebody who's elated and maybe somebody who is just feeling low after this particular election result. Rick makes sense?
Rick Langer: Yes, it does. And I should note that depending upon when this podcast airs, the election may have already taken place. It may not have. I just want all of you to know that Tim and I don't know what happened,-
Tim Muehlhoff: Right. We do not.
Rick Langer: As we are recording this, but we are talking about things that they're not only relevant in light of an election, they're just relevant for how Christians talk to others about what they deeply care about. And that was one thing I was going to say about you and your football analogy for this election, Tim, is I know you care about football. On your bad days, you think it's a moral absolute, but in reality it's not. Your football teams are what we might call matters of taste. They're matters of preference and things like that. It isn't immoral, believe it or not, to root for the Ohio State Buckeyes. I know that is a controversial issue in the Muehlhoff home, but I just wanted to get that cleared up.
Tim Muehlhoff: We can agree to disagree. Please continue.
Rick Langer: The rub when it comes to politics, Tim, is that we are not only, I think equally invested in it or many people are invested at a very deep level, but we often view it, it often is related to moral issues, moral absolutes. And so it feels different when you can't, it's harder to just say, Hey, he cheers for the Buckeyes. I cheer for the Wolverines. It's different from saying he cheers for murder, I cheer for peace. It isn't really equivalent, and I'm not sure that that analogy, well, it's a helpful analogy for a lot of things. I just want to say for the election, there's things that go beyond that that really serve to make additional complications. So that said, there are some things you want to say about all that weren't there?
Tim Muehlhoff: Well, and that's a great point, Rick. I mean, as much as I love football, there are very significant issues that these two candidates really fundamentally disagree on. And we as Christians would of course listen to them saying, listen, we believe we have moral clarity, that it's not a matter of taste, but we feel like one candidate is representing Jesus's Kingdom in a way that the other candidate isn't. So you're right. This takes up a whole new level. And I would just say this, Rick, I'm not going to mention names, but one of my kids when they moved out, kept their mailing address. So we get political literature from one of the candidates, and I won't say which one, but I've been reading them lately. I've been opening them and just taking a listen. And the way they frame it, Rick, is it will literally be the destruction of our country if this person wins. It will be the end of everything you value. I am not making this up. This is the kind of stark language that's being used.
So of course when a person, their candidate didn't win, and they've been listening to that literature, that political literature or their favorite podcast, their favorite news source that is framing this in such stark ways the end of our country, they won't just be disappointed like in a football game, they will be absolutely devastated and could think this is the end of the country. Now, rather than just brushing that off and saying, come on, I think that's an overreaction, which by the way, I teach de-escalation, Rick. That never works. It never works to say, hey, you're overreacting, calm down. Rather, let's step into their perspective, we call it perspective taking, and see the election result through the eyes of a coworker, a family member who may be devastated and just to feel those emotions before we try to actually talk about the election.
Rick Langer: Yeah, this leads me to a thing that I think is really valuable, and I'm going to frame this in kind of biblical theological language, but I think we need to become skilled at and disciplined to right-size our politics and right-size our God. And I'm very worried that when we begin to talk about this election will be the end of the world as we know it, we have inflated our politics beyond its reality. And even if it's really important for the United States of America, and I would be absolutely heartbroken if America collapsed as a country. I would point out that over the last 2000 years, there's a whole lot of countries and empires that have come and gone, and Jesus is still working through his church to accomplish his purposes. That kingdom of God has not wavered. Different people have taken up that banner.
I think we're seeing even some of that transition in the United States where we are less and less of the global Christian power and more and more we're having powerful missionary and Christian work done from South America, from Asia, Korea, places like that, Brazil, that are just extremely influential. And I don't know what will happen, I really don't. But I do want to say the nations rage in vain, to borrow language from Psalm 4:6. So whatever comes of that, God will still be on his throne. So we need to right-size, I mentioned right-sizing our politics and right-sizing God, I think what I'm really trying to say is part of how we right-size our politics is not by saying, who cares, but by we right-size our politics by right-sizing our God. And I need to get God back on the throne. He needs to be back in my mind as if he's truly Lord of all, and the nations truly do rage in vain. He will do his thing no matter what our elections bring or don't bring.<